Swing Trading Forex For A Living

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I Took A Couple Years Off Of Work To Swing Trade. Here’s What Happened.

This is what I thought it would feel like swing trading:

This is what it often really felt like:

[A Quick Note: I am not a licensed broker or investor. This is not advice. Stock investing is a risk: you can lose your money. Please consult a licensed stock advisor before investing.]

I s it possible to make a living swing trading? Yes, you can. The question to add is What is a good living in your book?

If your answer is $1,500-$6,000 a month part-time, then yes. It’s possible. However, it’s all dependent on a few major requirements:

  • You have capital to work with. Ideally, you should open a broker account with at least $50,000 — $150,000 in my opinion [1]. You have to buy a lot of shares to make any real money. Losing some of this initial capital is the price of learning, so keep that in mind!
  • You have patience to learn the craft. Learning the technical side of trading can take ten weeks or ten years. It all depends on your aptitude, attitude, and discipline to master the skills.
  • You have to be level-headed: that is, you’re not easily swayed by emotion. Technical trading is about spotting patterns and taking action. You can’t be influenced by the news or make emotional buys/sells. And, you must be able to mentally handle inevitable losing streaks and financial losses.
  • You have the access to technology. Many stock screeners are free, but some advanced ones you pay for really make a difference. All you need is a computer, software, and the internet to do this work.

There are a few more things you’ll need in your investment quiver, but these are the basics. Below is my experience with trading.

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So What Is Swing Trading?

Swing trading is the buying and selling of stocks all within the timeframe of a few days or several weeks in an attempt to gain a profit from the price changes or “swings”.

It’s a lot like day trading except the timeframe. After each buy and sell cycle, your slate is clean with no carry-over. It’s the opposite of passive, low-maintenance investing. Swing trading is active short-term investing because the “buy and hold” mantra does not apply.

And the basic concept is simple. Buy low, sell high.

The trouble is figuring out what and when to trade.

I always thought that if I could have one magical power, I’d want to be able to predict the future at least a day in advance. I’d be the richest man on earth because I’d be a swing or day trader for sure!


I got into stock trading because I took a year off from teaching college and high school business courses. It was like early retirement for me. I had all the time in the world to do whatever I wanted. I didn’t know if I was ever going back to education. Being frugal, I still wanted to dabble with money-making opportunities at my disposal.

Swing trading was one option, so I tried it.

As a business teacher, I already knew a lot about trading and personal finance. But that didn’t matter much because you could teach a ten-year-old how to trade.

It was really the technical aspects that I had to learn. (Within stock trading, there is the fundamental side and the technical side. View this 2m video of you are not familiar with the difference.) I took a short course on charting, read a swing trading book, and then I was off to the races.

I predominantly did swing trading, not day trading. I’ve done some day trading (buy and sell in a day). However, my biggest wins have been from swing trading. I’d buy and sell a stock after holding on to it for a few days or weeks.

I got scared a few times and a little fundamentalist theory influenced my buying. In the beginning, part of my criteria was that I’d buy “long swing” (I don’t know if this is a term) stocks that were severely undervalued from a fundamentalist’s point of view. That way if I was wrong about the stock, I could hang on to it for a few months and at least break even.

This was a terrible swing trading strategy. Technical traders should never look at the longer term horizon. In fact, the company could go bankrupt in a few months and it wouldn’t matter. As long as you time your entry and exit points correctly, you’ll make money.

This was an aspect I didn’t like about technical analysis, but enjoyed about fundamental analysis. With fundamental companies, I could talk about them to other people and (maybe) predict their future growth. It was exciting to read about these companies in the news and keep up with their innovations.

With technical trading, all the knowledge you learn about a company was meaningless outside of swing trading. Patterns come and go, like companies come and go. I felt like I was filling my head with random data that wouldn’t matter a few days later.

Early Swing Trading Efforts

A t first, I did extremely well. It was late 2020 and the market was robust. As mentioned, I traded a lot of obscure stocks. I also traded a few popular stocks and made thousands on them. They include NFLX (Netflix), AMZN (Amazon), ATVI, (Activision Blizzard), and MU (Micron Technology).

I mainly worked with technology and pharmaceutical stocks. Having a narrow industry focus was a crucial lesson I learned early on.

I made a mistake of listening to the Motley Fool guys (I had a one-year subscription to their basic stock advisory service). My mistake: they are not short-hold swing traders. They are interested in growth stocks you hang on to for months or years. They suggested you buy at least 10 stocks, possibly 20.

For any new trader, I wouldn’t buy more than five different stocks at a time. In fact, three is just fine unless you have lots of time and money to work with. The reason is that you’re trying to know these stocks inside and out. It’s hard to process the reams of data on just one company. Now think about doing that with several stocks (long or short-term).

Swing traders are looking for a pattern, but a lot of criteria is put into the mix. We can talk about trade volume, standard patterns (like “cup and handle”), and stock price — but that’s for another time. Basically, you have to decide which of these patterns make the most sense for the company at hand, plus the patterns of your previous wins.

Trading is like playing a game of chess with a giant countdown timer right in front of you the whole time. It can be very stressful as you process data and make your move in real-time.

The goal is to get into a trade at the right time (at the very start of its up-trending) and get out at the right time (at the very start of its down-trending). Your profit is the difference.

So if I came in at $100 and exited at $105, I would net $5. Now multiply that by the amount of shares you bought. Say it was 100 shares — you just walked with $500. (If I exited at $95, I would lose $500!) A kid could do this.

There is a broad continuum of where the trade lands and you get better at timing as you gain experience.

If you “short sell” a company, it’s basically the same strategy in theory. Short selling is like betting against a company: you predict their stock will decline and when they do, you recoup the difference. Short-selling and options were too technical and risky for me, so I usually steered clear of those kinds of trades. As I mentioned, I’m not a pro at trading by any means. If I wanted to make money all year round and in a bear market, I’d have to get good at short trading too. Also worth mentioning is learning Price Action trading to off-set technical indicator dependency.

Good Data, Not More Data

W hat I learned quickly is that it’s not the amount of data you collect on a company or trade. What matters is the quality of data. You can spend days or hours just on one trade, but it makes better sense to act on a solid trading strategy augmented by high-quality data.

I lost a lot of money because I was comparing dozens of patterns for one stock in one time period. It made my head explode. Eventually, I came to my senses and focused on just a few patterns and a few companies. I set up watch lists and alert systems. I even had my trading day all planned out.

In the end, I only traded 2–4 hours a day maximum. I did this just a few days a week. I think I did alright for myself considering I was working on so many other things in my life (micro-businesses, hobbies, travel, writing, etc). In total, I traded about 15 hours a week.

I was thinking about substitute teaching at a local college or high school, but the simple math stopped me. Subs make $155-$180 a day. I was making that and more before 11 am. Ultimately, when I got consistent at this subbing just seemed like a waste of time. Some days I made more in three days than a full-time teacher would make in a whole month!

Bad Trading Moments

I ’ll never forget late August 2020. I lost over ten thousand dollars in a single day and it was unnerving. The whole financial world felt the shockwaves of this day as a massive sell-off commenced. But in a few months, things bounced back. I recouped most of the money.

Another time I’ll never forget is when VRX (Valeant Pharmaceuticals) dropped 40% in one day. It’s been puttering along ever since. I was slow to liquidate the stock I bought at $250 and that’s now worth $13 today. I lost thousands and it was painful to see the drama all around this unfold. It was like watching a home burn down. They are going to rebuild it, but it will never be the same or as great as it was. (Note to self: Set a Stop Loss trigger price.)

Just recently, I was watching a diabetes medical device. This one was made in my home town and it had lots of promise (DXCM, DexCom). I bought DXCM stock right before it got FDA approval. I felt great about the buy. Then a day later Abbott Laboratories releases a similar glucose-monitoring product and DXCM tanked. And that’s part of swing trading. You can’t know everything and you’re destined to lose trades.

Less Trading

A few years into swing trading, and I can say I learned a lot. I’ve made more than I’ve lost. I’m up about 16% ROI year to date. I’ve had way better years, but that’s decent.

You can look at my 16% ROI and think, wow that’s great. But it’s not that great really. There are dozens of non-swing trade systems that completely blew my results away. Many are incredibly passive (that is, low maintenance).

Also, my ROI percentage for one year doesn’t make as much sense as my average weekly income. It was a goal to average at least $300 a day trading 3 days of the week. If I was on target, that became a decent monthly income you could live on in most places. I look at it more like that.

More importantly, I now have an odd skill set that produces results, most the time. In fact, I recently bought two Apple laptops and paid cash from two short trades I made. I hate debt and credit cards, so it was empowering to do this.

Was It All Luck Or Skill?

D eep down I think that even though I spent hundreds of hours learning to swing trade, my success was partly due to two things beyond me:

  • The bull market cycle.
  • Beginner’s luck.

I got into trading during an economic cycle that has been one of the longest bull markets in history. (BTW, it’s likely to end soon.) Granted you can make money swing trading in any kind of market, the bull was on my side for sure.

As far as beginner’s luck, I had it. I placed small investments and kept adding to what worked. Some trades would only be $1,000 worth of shares. I was experimenting with scientifically-informed decisions.

Sometimes I got lucky when I double-downed on a stock, and I can’t always say it was because I knew what I was doing. I think a lot of confirmation bias comes with winning trades.

I’ve always been a fundamentalist at heart. I’ve idolized Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger in the past. I see their trading style as 70% Value Investing and 30% Growth Investing (though that ratio is highly debatable). These billionaire investors are in it for the long hall, decades even. There is something to be said about their phenomenal success.

Then there is the analysis from one of the most celebrated investment books of all time: A Random Walk Down Wall Street . In it, the economist Burton Malkiel talks about scientifically testing the efficacy of technical trading:

Put another way, if I never did any swing trading and invested all my money into a handful of diverse Vanguard or Dimensional funds, I would have gotten 8%-14% ROI from sitting on my butt!

No learning, no headaches, no problem.

Plus, you have to factor in all the mental anguish some trades has caused me. I had many sleepless nights. This wasn’t because of the massive eye strain staring at screens did to me (though I did wear special eyeglasses for this). Losing trades really took a toll on me. Sometimes I couldn’t be level-headed. I didn’t want to jump off a ledge, but there is a lot of anxiety that comes with swing and day trading. The financial crisis of 2008 caused 5,000 suicides. Many of those people were traders.

These days, I trade less to keep my sanity. Trading doesn’t improve the world much or add value to something great: it only adds to your bottom line.

Life is more than padding your wallet.

If your personal life is starting to look like a crazy candle-stick stock chart that swings from one end to the other, what kind of life have you created? It’s just not worth it in the end.

ABC: Always Be Capitalizing

I believe what Robert Kiyosaki believes. You should always be investing, whether you’re an employee or a business owner. However, you have to invest the way that makes sense to you. It doesn’t have to be the center of your world or cause you massive mood swings.

If you have the capital and you’re interested in picking your own stocks, you could start with only investing 5%–10% of your funds. With the rest, have it professionally managed by people with Ph.D’s in economics and advanced degrees in asset management.

Teams of people who do this for a living with decades of experience are smarter than just you at this game. Let them worry about the details. Have them set up an ideal portfolio for your situation. You’ll sleep fine at night.

So what should you do with your time instead of mastering swing trading?

Find what you really want to do with your life that adds value to the world, and get to work!


General Advice: Again, this article is my unvarnished personal story about investing. Stock trading is risky* and it’s up to you to decide what to do with your money. Before investing, speak to an accredited advisor first. Choose a fiduciary that works for a flat fee, not a commission. If you still want to swing trade, it should be no more than 5%-10% of your total investment pool. As mentioned, I have a professional manage most of my investments now. Below are a few more tools for reference.


How Much Money Can I Make Swing Trading

Here are scenarios for how much money you can make as a swing trader, based on how often you trade, the risk/reward ratio of your trades, how often you win, and the capital you start with.

There is a massive range of incomes for swing traders. Most swing traders will still need to work another job to fund their lifestyle, but may be able to pull a secondary income out of market each month. Then there are swing traders who live comfortably solely based on their trading income. Finally, there is the small percentage of swing traders who make a very high (and consistent) income. The flip side of this is that there is a large group of want-to-be traders who will fail and will never make any money.

How much money you make as a swing trader is largely determined by:

  • How much money you start with. If you start trading with $2,000 your income potential (in dollars) is far less than someone who starts with $20,000. Percentage returns shouldn’t vary too much whether you are trading $10,000 or $100,000.
  • How often you trade, how often you win, and the size of your profitable trades relative to your losing ones.
  • How much time you put into your trading education. To create consistent swing trading income–where you have a solid trading plan and are able to implement it–will likely take six months to a year (or more) if you dedicate yourself to regular practice.

Your income potential is also determined by your personality (are you disciplined and patient?) and the strategies you use. These issues are not our focus here. If you want trading strategies, trading tutorials or articles on trading psychology you can visit the Trading Tutorials page, or check out my Stock Market Swing Trading Video Course.

When swing trading, the market you trade–stocks, forex, options, or futures–doesn’t matter too much. All have their own advantages and all offer similar profit potential. The main difference is the amount of capital required to start trading each market.

Start with as little as $2,000 for forex swing trading. For stocks and options start with at least $10,000. For futures swing trading, start with $20,000+. These are the minimums I would recommend swing trading with. Your income, in dollars, is tied to the amount you trade with, even though smaller and larger accounts can typically expect similar percentage returns on their trading capital each month. For example, if you make 5% a month trading a $2000 account, your income is $100. If you make 5% a month on a $60,000 account, your income is $3,000. Same percentage return but very different dollar amounts.

Now, let’s go through a few scenarios to answer the question, “How much money can I make as a swing trader?”

For all the scenarios I will assume that you never risk more than 1% of your account on a single trade. Risk is the potential loss on a trade, defined as the difference between the entry price and stop loss price, multiplied by how many units of the asset you trade (called position size).

There is no reason to risk more than 1% of your account on a single trade. The maximum you should risk is 2%. As I will show, even with keeping risk low (1% or less per trade) you can earn a solid income from swing trading.

Use the scenarios to create your own income projection using the market you want to trade, the trading capital you have, the win rate of your strategy, and the reward/risk of a typical trade you take.

The scenarios below assume you have a strategy that works, have practiced it and mastered it. During your initial year swing trading, don’t expect to make these types of returns; you will very likely lose money in your first 6 months to a year.

How Much Money Can I Make Swing Trading Stocks with $20,000

If you risk 1% of $20,000, you can risk up to $200 per trade. Assume you want to buy a $50 stock, place a stop loss at $49 and a target at $53. Your trade risk is $1 for each share you own (entry price minus stop loss, or $50-$49). Therefore, you can buy 200 shares at $50. If the price drops to $49 you lose $200. If price rallies to $53 you make $600.

Buying 200 shares only uses $10,000 of your capital (200 x $50), so you still have $10,000 to use on other trades. If you utilize leverage, which is often provided at 2:1, that means you actually have 2 x $20,000 = $40,000 to work with. This leaves you $30,000 in “buying power” to make other trades.

Assume you find 5 trades a month that provide this type of trade setup.

Assume you win 60% of your trades.

Your reward:risk ratio on this trade is 3:1. If the trade is a winner, you make $3 for every $1 you risk.

These scenarios have been selected because they are reasonable. With a decent strategy that produces 3:1 reward:risk ratios, and wins about 60% of the time, you should have no problem finding about 5 trades per month.

Your monthly return is as follows:

3 trades are profitable: 3 x $600 = $1800

2 traders losers: 2 x $200 = $400

Monthly Gross Income = $1400 (attained from $1800 – $400)

On the high-end you will pay $10 per trade, or $20 to enter and exit a trade. Commissions costs are therefore: 5 x $20 = $100.

Monthly Net Income = $1400 – $100 = $1300.

That’s a 6.5% monthly return, or 78% yearly return (uncompounded).

See the Variations section below for ways to increase or decrease this return.

How Much Money Can I Make Swing Trading Forex with $5,000

In the forex market, prices move in pips. If you are swing trading, typically you will be using a 20 to 80 pip stop loss, depending on the pair you are trading. The smallest position size you can take in forex is 1000 (called a micro lot), which is buying 1000 worth of currency. When trading 1000 worth of currency each pip movement is worth $0.10 (for the EURUSD or GBPUSD which are common swing trading pairs, although pip value does vary by pair). That means if you buy 2000 worth of currency (2 micro lots) you will be making or losing $0.20 per pip. There are also mini lots and standard lots (10,000 and 100,000), which will make or lose us $1 or $10 per pip of movement.

Using this information, we can calculate expected profit from a swing trading system.

If you risk 1% of $5,000, you can risk up to $50 per trade. Assume you use a strategy that places a 50 pip stop loss and 150 pip target.

For each trade you can take 10,000 worth of currency (a mini lot). If you lose 50 pips, you lose $50. If the price reaches your target you make $150. You have a $5,000 account and you are utilizing $10,000, this means the trade requires leverage of at least 2:1. Likely you will want more leverage if you are going to be taking multiple positions at the same time.

Assume you find 5 trades a month that provide this type of trade setup. You may personally find more or less, this is just an example.

Assume you win 60% of your trades.

Your reward:risk ratio on this trade is 3:1. If the trade is a winner, you make $3 for every $1 you risk.

Your monthly return is as follows:

3 trades are profitable: 3 x $150= $450

2 traders losers: 2 x $50 = $100

Monthly Gross Income = $350 (attained from $450 – $100)

Many forex brokers are commission free, and this is an OK way to go if swing trading. If you also day trade, trade with an ECN broker. My forex broker charges $2.5 per $100K traded. In total you are trading $100,000 for the month; $50,000 to get in (5 trades x, 10,000) and $50,000 to get out. Your commission cost will only be $2.5….or basically nothing.

Monthly Net Income = $350

That’s a 7% monthly return, or 84% yearly return (uncompounded).

See the Variations section below for ways to increase or decrease this return.

To learn how to swing trade forex… including basics to get you started (order types, currency pairs to focus on, defining trends…), 20+ strategies and a plan to get you practicing and successful, check out my Forex Strategies Guide for Day and Swing Traders eBook .

How Much Money Can I Make Swing Trading Futures with $30,000

Futures move in ticks and points (a certain number of ticks make up a point). The tick value for each futures contract is different. One of the most common futures contracts for day trading or swing trading is the E-mini S&P 500 (ES). You can trade other contracts, but our example below will focus on ES, and its tick value.

Each tick of movement is worth $12.50 for one contract, and there are 4 ticks to a point. So each point of movement will either make you, or cost you, $50. Each contract requires that you have $5225 (more with some brokers, this figure is from the NinjaTrader Brokerage) in margin. This has nothing to do with your profit or loss though, you still make or lose $50 per point.

If you risk 1% of $30,000 you can risk up to $300 per trade. That means at most your stop loss can be 6 points away, because 6 points x $50/point = $300, which is your maximum risk. With a 6 point stop loss you may end up doing some day trading, because in volatile conditions the S&P 500 can move 6 points in a hurry.

Assume you set targets on your trades at 18 points (+$900), so your reward:risk is 3:1.

Assume you find 5 trades a month that provide this type of trade setup. It is quite likely you will find a lot more than 5 trades per month, since 6 to 18 points of movement isn’t very much in the ES contract. It typically moves between 15 and 30 points per day (depending on whether it is in a low or high volatility phase).

Assume you win 60% of your trades.

Your monthly return is as follows:

3 trades are profitable: 3 x $900= $2700

2 traders losers: 2 x $300= $600

Monthly Gross Income = $2100 (attained from $2700 – $600)

On the high end you will pay $10 per trade, round trip. Commissions costs are therefore: 5 x $10 = $50.

Monthly Net Income = $2100 – $50 = $2050.

That’s a 6.8% monthly return, or 82% yearly return (uncompounded).

See the Variations section below for ways to increase or decrease this return.

How Much Money Can I Make Swing Trading Options with $10,000

You likely now have a good idea of how win rate and reward/risk ratios play out in determining your income. Options are a “derivative” in that their value is derived from an underlying market, such as a stock or futures contract. For a strategy on trading options, and a basic rundown of what they are, see Debit Spread Options Trading Strategy.

With a $10,000 account you can risk up to $100 per trade (1% of 10,000).

If you expect to make $300 for every $100 you risk, your reward to risk is 3:1. If you win 60% of your trades and make 5 trades a month your income is as follows:

3 trades are profitable: 3 x $300= $900

2 traders losers: 2 x $100 = $200

Monthly Gross Income = $700 (attained from $900 – $200)

On the high-end you will pay $10 per trade, or $20 to enter and exit a trade. Commissions costs are therefore: 5 x $20= $100.

Monthly Net Income = $700 – $100= $600.

That’s a 6% monthly return, or 72% yearly return (uncompounded).

See the Variations section below for ways to increase or decrease this return.


Most swing traders compound their account initially. For example, they start forex swing trading with $10,000. They withdraw some profits but also leave some profits in there to keep growing the account. Eventually though, most traders hit a cap they are comfortable with and then start withdrawing any profits over that amount, or funneling profits into other endeavors (like investing, or real estate). So most traders do not infinitely compound their swing trading.

Instead, they reach a level of income they are comfortable with and then they stay there. For a day trader it may be $1,000/day, and for a swing trader it may be $5,000 or $12,000 or $60,000 per month. Each trader has a different level where they feel comfortable. That is not to say you can’t keep compounding your returns, but as your income grows the motivation to do it becomes less and less. It also becomes harder to effectively deploy larger amounts of money.

Most independent traders aim to make their target return, on the amount of capital they are comfortable trading, in order to attain a good income from their trading.

Get profitable first. That is hard enough. Worry about compounding later, because it will happen naturally as long as you are willing to grow your account. Once you feel you don’t need to compound anymore, withdraw profits and it is no longer an issue to think about. I find new traders often get hung up on the idea of compounding, when instead that mental effort could be directed toward getting good. Unless you are consistently good at trading, compounding returns is not something you need to even think about.

Considerations and Variations On How Much You Can Make

If you could take 10 (valid) trades a month, instead of 5, your income would double. If you take less than 5 trades a month, your income drops accordingly. This assumes you maintain the 60% win rate and 3:1 reward to risk. Increase the win rate or increase the reward:risk, while maintaining the other ratio, and your income will increase. If win rate or reward:risk drop though, expect a decline in income.

If you average reward:risk ends up being 2:1, then your monthly profit drops to about 3.5% to 4%, assuming all other variables stay the same.

If the win rate is 50%, at a 3:1 reward:risk, the monthly profit also drops to about 4%. Very slightly changes have a huge impact on profitability.

Risk 2% per trade, instead of 1%, and your income also doubles. Risk 0.5% per trade and your income is cut in half. This assumes all other statistics stay equal.

For simplicity, these scenarios assume that you would enter and exit positions within the month. That may not necessarily be the case. If your trades last 2 months, then this income would be spread out over two months. If your trades typically only last a week or so, then the scenarios are accurate, assuming you can replicate the conditions above.

You can also play with the position size and the stop loss level, while keeping the reward:risk the same. For example, in the forex scenario the price needs to move 150 pips to reach your target. If you want trades to only last a few days (so you can get into more trades) you could create a strategy with a 30 pip stop loss and a 90 pip target. These trades won’t last as long, so you can find more of them, and all else remaining equal, increase your income.

In the stock scenario above the price needs to move $3 to hit your target. If you want short-term trades, use a $0.50 stop loss and a $1.50 target (just an example–each trade is unique and should be handled as such). With the stop loss a smaller distance from your entry point, the position size can increase, but your income stays the same assuming you stick to a 3:1 target…just a different way of generating it.

How Much Money You Can Make Swing Trading – Final Word

The income potential in each scenario is only affected by account capital, and commissions. Notice that all the percentage returns are very similar for each market. Once you know how to trade, one market isn’t necessarily better than another. It’s just preference, and what suits you.

Your statistics could be very different than the scenarios presented above. Based on your demo trading, insert your own win rate, and your own reward-to-risk ratio.

The scenarios are setup so you only win a bit more than you lose, and your winning trades are only a bit bigger than your losing trades. In the real world, that is typically how swing trading goes. Successful (and consistent) traders don’t try to hit home runs on each trade. They trade a simple system that gives them an edge (like above).

Maintain discipline, keep your wins slightly bigger than your losses, and strive to win 55%+ of your trades. Do this, and you can make a good secondary income from swing trading….and possible a livable income once your account is large enough.

Winning 60% of the time is not as easy at it sounds though, and you may not be able to find 5 valid trades per month in all market conditions.

Expect variance in your income from month to month, as your monthly income will oscillate above and below your average.

Put in the work required over at least 6 months to a year. Most traders fail, so if you don’t want to fail you need to put in the work that will match those in the top 5%. It is only after you have mastered a method when trading becomes less stressful and less time-consuming. For example, it will take time to learn the methods in my Stock Market Swing Trading Video Course. But once it is mastered, it only takes about 20 minutes, one to three nights a week, to implement.

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